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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 20:45:30 GMT
I think there could be room for AUs where Sizz-Lorr improves labor conditions and takes where he is a decent boss to his employees, but you cannot dance around the fact that when Zim was in his custody he chose to abuse and torment him. If the otherwise fairest boss in the world is decent to 99% of his employees and still abuses 1, that boss is still an abusive boss.
Also, Gashloog seems happy enough working at Shloogorgh's but how much of a choice does he really have? If he wanted to leave through non-approved means or did something Sizz-Lorr didn't like/rebelled, he'd probably get the same treatment as Zim.
And the Navigator, even though he gets screwed over by the Tallest, still benefits from the heightocracy. His height is one of his greatest assets, so much that he can challenge the Tallest's decisions multiple times. I really can't picture him being friendly or chummy with Irkens like Bob or Zim. Not without A LOT of character development anyway.
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 20:58:20 GMT
I feel like in redemption arc!AUs Irkens tend to abandon their heighist/xenophobic views too quickly. Remember, Irken supremacy and the height hierarchy is baked into these guys at two minutes old. To abandon those beliefs would probably be the equivalent of you abandoning your views on the inherent value of human life or inherent human rights, something most people in modern societies have drilled into them from birth, at least in theory. It would take a lot of doing for something like that to happen and for you to believe you were doing the right thing by abandoning those beliefs, and it would probably be very scary for you! And even then, you wouldn't want to reject all of the beliefs of your home culture to assimilate into someone else's.
So why do people not think of this when making redemption arcs for Irkens?
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:09:45 GMT
I feel like people (I'm people sometimes) underestimate the utter depravity Irkens are capable of just because they're funny little bug people with big eyes. They're cute, but they're also absolute monsters.
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Post by secretlabz on Mar 5, 2021 21:09:49 GMT
I feel like in redemption arc!AUs Irkens tend to abandon their heighist/xenophobic views too quickly. Remember, Irken supremacy and the height hierarchy is baked into these guys at two minutes old. To abandon those beliefs would probably be the equivalent of you abandoning your views on the inherent value of human life or inherent human rights, something most people in modern societies have drilled into them from birth, at least in theory. It would take a lot of doing for something like that to happen and for you to believe you were doing the right thing by abandoning those beliefs, and it would probably be very scary for you! And even then, you wouldn't want to reject all of the beliefs of your home culture to assimilate into someone else's. So why do people not think of this when making redemption arcs for Irkens? its probably bc ppl like to focus more on the "oh im good now" aspect of redemption arcs than the like. actual work and ideas that go into it. it gets dangerously close to self introspection too for some kinds of people |
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Post by secretlabz on Mar 5, 2021 21:15:32 GMT
I feel like people (I'm people sometimes) underestimate the utter depravity Irkens are capable of just because they're funny little bug people with big eyes. They're cute, but they're also absolute monsters. i love making horrible evil evil evil characters who commit crimes punishable under the geneva convention but im always afraid to share that aspect abt them outside of "oh yeah and they brainwashed one of my other ocs :)" as a little addition to their bio bc im afeared ppl will take my focus on that character and the consequences they face for being evil as like. somehow being support for the shit they did the way fandoms treat evil characters in general is why im afraid of doing it tbh... nobody ever thinks critically about the media they consume i guess thats why ppl are so quick to make redemption arc aus for zim then |
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:19:26 GMT
I feel like in redemption arc!AUs Irkens tend to abandon their heighist/xenophobic views too quickly. Remember, Irken supremacy and the height hierarchy is baked into these guys at two minutes old. To abandon those beliefs would probably be the equivalent of you abandoning your views on the inherent value of human life or inherent human rights, something most people in modern societies have drilled into them from birth, at least in theory. It would take a lot of doing for something like that to happen and for you to believe you were doing the right thing by abandoning those beliefs, and it would probably be very scary for you! And even then, you wouldn't want to reject all of the beliefs of your home culture to assimilate into someone else's. So why do people not think of this when making redemption arcs for Irkens? its probably bc ppl like to focus more on the "oh im good now" aspect of redemption arcs than the like. actual work and ideas that go into it. it gets dangerously close to self introspection too for some kinds of people YEAH!! Making yourself a better person, keeping those changes consistent, and constantly challenging yourself at every turn is hard! Being good is not something you are, it's something you do, and despite all your efforts you'll probably be mediocre morality-wise at best! And that's just for mediocre humans who usually haven't committed a single war crime in their lives. Irkens have it much harder because they've been steeped in a xenophobic, militaristic, cutthroat culture of terror that encourages the worst tendencies possible in its citizens and makes it almost impossible to be exposed to outside perspectives. It also encourages its citizens to hone their skills to the sharpest they can be, and would you really want to give up your cultural capital and prowess in a field you worked your whole life in just because some alien thinks it's immoral to blow stuff up? And if perhaps aliens aren't inferior, and Irkens aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread, what does that make you? |
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Post by secretlabz on Mar 5, 2021 21:20:07 GMT
ppl who "age up" dib for shipping purposes/ designing a teenage dib to be anything other than a little gremlin boy. and ppl who interpret him as being like 16 in canon...  |
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:23:35 GMT
ppl who "age up" dib for shipping purposes/ designing a teenage dib to be anything other than a little gremlin boy. and ppl who interpret him as being like 16 in canon... BARK BARK BARK BAKR GROWL He's a middle-schooler at most! |
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Post by secretlabz on Mar 5, 2021 21:28:51 GMT
ppl who "age up" dib for shipping purposes/ designing a teenage dib to be anything other than a little gremlin boy. and ppl who interpret him as being like 16 in canon... BARK BARK BARK BAKR GROWL He's a middle-schooler at most! dib wouldnt be an anime bishie softboy in high school hed literally b like that gross trenchcoat wearing anime obsessed boy that has a knife collection thats concerningly large... idk why ppl draw him as anything other than that his dad is a billionaire and pretty absent you know hes got a huge allowance and therefore wearing expensive goth shit like tripp pants every day but somehow still doesnt get the memo that you need to shower and wear deodorant |
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:30:26 GMT
I feel like people (I'm people sometimes) underestimate the utter depravity Irkens are capable of just because they're funny little bug people with big eyes. They're cute, but they're also absolute monsters. i love making horrible evil evil evil characters who commit crimes punishable under the geneva convention but im always afraid to share that aspect abt them outside of "oh yeah and they brainwashed one of my other ocs :)" as a little addition to their bio bc im afeared ppl will take my focus on that character and the consequences they face for being evil as like. somehow being support for the shit they did the way fandoms treat evil characters in general is why im afraid of doing it tbh... nobody ever thinks critically about the media they consume i guess thats why ppl are so quick to make redemption arc aus for zim then Irk is a society of supervillians. We need to be less afraid of recognizing that. Also, American cultural values and Irken values aren't that different. They both like capitalism, big guns, unethical science, food, and, well, conquering things. If they met under different circumstances, and they let up on their xenophobia for a little bit, it's possible that they could get along like a house on fire. Makes you think about what the Vortians were like when they were hanging out with Irkens at the lunch table, because Vortians are also a society of mad scientists. |
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:32:20 GMT
BARK BARK BARK BAKR GROWL He's a middle-schooler at most! dib wouldnt be an anime bishie softboy in high school hed literally b like that gross trenchcoat wearing anime obsessed boy that has a knife collection thats concerningly large... idk why ppl draw him as anything other than that his dad is a billionaire and pretty absent you know hes got a huge allowance and therefore wearing expensive goth shit like tripp pants every day but somehow still doesnt get the memo that you need to shower and wear deodorant He also has some seriously scary xenophobic and bullying tendencies and doesn't quite have a sense of decency yet. He tried to capture Zim almost immediately after meeting him despite not knowing whether he was a threat yet, and I think he's also harassed people he suspects of being a paranormal creature. |
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Post by secretlabz on Mar 5, 2021 21:34:17 GMT
dib wouldnt be an anime bishie softboy in high school hed literally b like that gross trenchcoat wearing anime obsessed boy that has a knife collection thats concerningly large... idk why ppl draw him as anything other than that his dad is a billionaire and pretty absent you know hes got a huge allowance and therefore wearing expensive goth shit like tripp pants every day but somehow still doesnt get the memo that you need to shower and wear deodorant He also has some seriously scary xenophobic and bullying tendencies and doesn't quite have a sense of decency yet. He tried to capture Zim almost immediately after meeting him despite not knowing whether he was a threat yet, and I think he's also harassed people he suspects of being a paranormal creature. if dib were in todays society hed probably be expelled from skool or be labeled as an "at-risk youth" that has to be watched 24/7 |
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:35:26 GMT
Dib is also a bad scientist (for now, at least). His methods are bad, and he should feel bad. Professor Membrane is right, he could do with some real science experience. Same with Professor Membrane. Has he been able to replicate the data on even one of his experiments? /J
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:37:04 GMT
He also has some seriously scary xenophobic and bullying tendencies and doesn't quite have a sense of decency yet. He tried to capture Zim almost immediately after meeting him despite not knowing whether he was a threat yet, and I think he's also harassed people he suspects of being a paranormal creature. if dib were in todays society hed probably be expelled from skool or be labeled as an "at-risk youth" that has to be watched 24/7 The scariest thing about Dib with a giant knife collection and a bunch of other potentially dangerous gadgets is that 1. He doesn't know about weapons safety 2. He doesn't have the restraint to use them responsibly. 3. He doesn't care to learn. |
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Post by Vulture on Mar 5, 2021 21:51:01 GMT
i dont trust people who unironically draw zim like this  He's too scrawny to have any hips. And those lips! Woe, nose be upon ye! Kill it with fire! Getting back to this, I don't think Irkens should have eyelashes, and shouldn't be able to wear mascara because of it. If Irkens do wear eye makeup, they probably use lots of eyeshadow and eyeliner. I also don't think they have full enough lips to wear lipstick, although it won't stop some of them from trying. |
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